controllers, bad vibes and pulsing pulsing pulsing..

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muir
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Right -


I have a conundrum - I need peoples experiences with controll systems - now, before everyone jumps on the button marked 'DCC' - I run an ex-Royal Navy Dreadnought labelled Hammant & Morgan, with its half-wave and resistance switches.


Now, (after the tittering in the background has stopped), I thought, well I'll get one of these fancy pants controllers with feedback and pulse etc - this being one of those HM2000 jobbies - which it promptly starting fizzing motors - there's no doubt that the low speed constant running is better than the old clipper (however the clipper in half wave mode is very surprising), but it cooks motors and my old G-F just don't run and put out loads of ozone.


I'm fairly happy without DCC (I just run a train at a time and no sound or anything) but I don't want to fork out my hard earned money again on something thats going to fizz motors all the time - at least with my old school H&M I know it's going to be motor friendly (I run Kato, atlas, microace, spectrum and G-F - I think they tend to be known as high-end)) - does anyone else have experiences like this?


Have a look at some of those ultra-sophisticated Tomix and Kato jobbies - they're stunning and work just like a real control box, even looking and sounding like them - with unbelievable running characteristics - obviously there's a lot of us out there, and some swear by DCC, which is great - but does anyone have trouble with fizzled motors? I want to feel comfortable that when I put a train on the track it's going to go from a to b without either fizzing early, or I have to stop it after short times to let bits cool down...


Cheers for opinions -


Muir

peterlanc1729
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Hmm tricky. I have 3 hornby toy dc controllers, 1 hornby select dcc controller and a spectrum magnum.

The hornby controllers are meant for HO but work just fine with all my N chassis's. The hornby DCC is

probably the cheapest on the market but also the simplest to use. The biggest issue is you can only access up 

to 10 functions, and some of my DCC locos with sound chip have 40ish functions that I simply cant access.

The spectrum magnum is the best DC controller i've used ever, puts out pefect resolution regarding speed. moreso with slow running.

The hornby DC are total and utter rubbish, more like an on and off rotating tiny knob. but too handy to just throw away if need lots of trains going around a circle

ECMT
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Muir - I've found some items on Trademe that might be what you're after.


1. A Gaugemaster. Supposedly modern motor friendly and will run off you're H&M's AC outlet. Not cheap though !


2. A Fidelity Controller. I've heard some guys in the UK rave about these. Again modern motor safe and smooth at low speeds. It looks scruffy but it's whats under the hood that counts. Good price though.


There was a guy selling controllers on Trademe for a while under the RG Enterprises label (their website seems to have dissappeared as well). Their controllers aren't cheap but work as well as the two I've already mentioned.

beakaboy
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Hi Muir, i also use a clipper controller for DC running on one of my layout circuits.the other circuit is powered by DCC with a NCE Powercab. i have always run my clipper as a standard controller with half wave only and  i can get slow speed running to a crawl,etc with no problems. i have always used power feeders on most sections of track as well as soldering most rail joiners.i also spend time cleaning my track well as well as wheels on locos and wagons. also i strip down motors from time to time and clean with isopropyl alcohol. i then use Labelle oil and grease or similar product to relube.(sparingly)most people i find don't have enough power feeders on their layouts and suffer with poor running as a result. even more important with DCC.  New bachmann G F have new chassis and are lovely runners. old G F are terrible and i have tried both 3 pole and 5 pole motor. hence i don't own any of these.just my opinion.  John  

CaptainCarbon
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This is my DC controller:

Fidelity Controller

As you can see it is a Fidelity Control with all the bells and whistles, well actually no bells and whistles but plenty of features. I have found it to be the best DC controller I have ever used. I say that without exaggeration, though I have never actually used a classic H&M Dreadnought.

The crawl capabilities are fantastic, and the downhill speed retardation (a back emf I understand) makes a huge difference visually. My trains would not rapidly accelerate downhill in an unprototypical and undignified fashion. It made my friend envious, as his Marklin engines struggled to crawl and would frequently lurch in to motion at about 25mph when starting. Mind you he switched to digital and now his engines behave properly and do all the fancy things that DCC lets you do. Though his engines do still rattle, clank and grind far more than mine.

As has been stated before, good contact and plenty of track feeds makes a big difference to performance too. Perhaps you could try an MRC unit? I have never used one of those either, but they seem popular with the yanks, well those that haven't shifted to DCC.

And in case you were wondering: No my controller is not for sale.

muir
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Thanks guys for all your info and advice - I see those MRC tech 2's pop- up on ebay fairly regularly...


I'm thinking, especially at the moment, just getting trackfeeders and consistent power feeders together first - there's over 120' of mainline so I'm thinking that yeah - the three feeders probably just don't really cut it... so that first and then sort out the control system...


beakaboy wrote:


New bachmann G F have new chassis and are lovely runners. old G F are terrible and i have tried both 3 pole and 5 pole motor. hence i don't own any of these.just my opinion.  John  



I'm starting to be inclined towards exactly what you say there John -

muir
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CaptainCarbon wrote:


The crawl capabilities are fantastic, and the downhill speed retardation (a back emf I understand) makes a huge difference visually. My trains would not rapidly accelerate downhill in an unprototypical and undignified fashion.



Just something Captain, do your motors howl? a high-pitched squeal? almost like a noise chip? I do know that some loco's are quieter than others - but say something like the fairly common spectrum dash series diesels if you happen to have any?

CaptainCarbon
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Some of them sing at minimum crawl speed, or when stalled, but it is not loud. Except for an Atlas with a factory DCC chip, which while fine on straight dc sings to the heavens at certain speeds on the Fidelity control.

I think I recall a cheap Bachmann GP35 whining frequently too, before I sold it off some time ago.